Chris Hartjes and Ed Finkler (two well-known PHP community members) have started up a podcast where they talk about, basically, whatever they want in their "piss-and-moan-driven-development" style. In their first episode, they talk about what they hate about PHP.

Listen to a couple old dudes complain that they don't like PHP anymore. Yes, I know, this sounds pretty compelling.

They specifically mention the PUT method support in PHP. You can download the mp3 (about an hour and a half long) and check out the two hosts on Twitter: Chris and Ed.

On DZone.com today there's a new post from Eric Hogue talking about the love-hate relationship he has with PHP (as a developer of five years with it).

I have been programming in PHP for 5 years now. I did not choose this language, I had to learn it to work on the code of the company my bosses bought. Since I started, I heard many rants about how bad PHP is. Some where valid, but a lot of them are just blaming the language for bad code written by bad programmers. I am by no mean an expert in programming languages or PHP, but here is my take on the language I use every day.

His "good" section mentions one of the most popular things about the language - its quality of documentation. He also talks about the interactive shell and the community that surrounds the language. In the "bad" category, though, he points out things like the low barrier for entry ("a blessing and a curse"), the changing order of parameters in function calls and that a constructor of a child class doesn't automatically call the parent's constructor.

In response to this recent post on four reasons to hate CakePHP, Matt Curry has posted some of his thoughts over on his pseudocoder.com blog to refute the comments made.

I'm still bored and lacking posting ideas, so I figured I'd give a hyper-critical breakdown of "Four reasons to hate CakePHP" by A.J. Brown. Let's get right into it.

He responds to comments on: CakePHP's "heaviness", the (in)flexibility the framework allows, alpha releases, changes between versions, no namespace considerations and its use of global functions.

You can see the original post here: Four reasons to hate CakePHP as well as his AJ's own response to comments he recieved - Maybe I was too hard on CakePHP.

This is a short smug entry, written in the "Yeah, well I liked them before they even had a record deal" style associated with trend snobs. Except in this case, its the opposite, I am claiming that I hated something back when it was cool. Thanks to blogging my opinion earlier, I even have proof! PHP should stand for Pretty Huge Problem.

He mentions some of the rants, langauge switchers, and general complaints that have come up about PHP, including the combination of code and HTML, the "safe mode" feature, and PHP's "battered on" nature of development. He also goes off a bit on the (inevitable) backlash that Rails and Ajax will see in the future, and wonders how far off it will be.