On the Voices of the ElePHPant podcast host Cal Evans once again talks with Matthew Weier O'Phinney, the lead developer on the Zend Framework (and Zend Expressive) project.

Cal and Matthew talk about Matthew's work on the Zend Framework project and when he moved into the role as lead developer. They also talk about what the difference between Zend Framework 2 and Zend Framework 3 (hint: not too much, mostly project-related changes not functional). They then move on to one of the other recent projects from Zend, Apigility. Finally, they discuss the most recent framework-related effort from the Zend Framework team: Zend Expressive.

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