In episode #197 of The Changelog podcast they're joined by Matt Mullenweg (CEO of Automattic) to talk about the future of WordPress and how the newer "Calypso" interface fits in to the overall picture.

This week we’re joined by Matt Mullenweg, the creator of WordPress and the CEO of Automattic. We discussed the past, present, and future of WordPress. We talked about the role of JavaScript for WordPress, their new REST API, Calypso, and more.

They talk about WordPress in general, Matt's "State of the Word 2015" presentation, beautiful code, and Steve Krug's Advanced Common Sense website as well. You can listen to this latest episode either through the in-page audio player or by downloading the mp3 directly. If you enjoy the show, be sure to subscribe to their feed and get more great shows in the future.