The Voices of the ElePHPant podcast has posted their latest episode, another in their series of interviews with members of the PHP community. In this new show host Cal Evans talks with Gary Hockin,

Cal and Gary talk about Gary's (relatively) new position at JetBrains as a developer advocate. They also talk about a recent change that JetBrains made to their licensing model and how they responded to the community feedback from the change. They also talk about something that Gary purchased and uses for his travels around Europe as a part of his role - a Volkswagen camper van.

You can listen to this latest episode either through the in-page audio player or by downloading the mp3 directly. If you enjoy the show be sure to subscribe to their feed and follow them on Twitter to get the latest info on when new shows are released.